3500 people. 1500 people kind of happy, and you tried to come up with common denominators, and this kind of community of interest think. >> are actively manage my communities of interest. my wife, my two kids, extended family, school system, a church, my teens, my businesses, the employees. i am constantly looking at how much time and effort in spending, and i tried to connect those communities of interest. when you do something really bad, what is the threat? you are going to solitary confinement. they do not say, "we are sending you to a party with all your friends." the more social, the more connected we are, the happier we are. >> at one point, you say in the book that you think the greatest form of torture is -- you say hermits are not happy, right? >> they are not. we are social beings.